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Has anyone ever own a GM vehicle that's NOT had a recall?
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drs
2014-09-27 20:04:09 UTC
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I was foolish enough to buy one many years ago. Never, ever again . .
. Foreign vehicles - especially from Japan and even south Korea - are
built better, last longer, and have little or no recalls for most
models. Watch out for those that are assembled in North America,
though.
Here we go again, with General Motors - the company we taxpayers have
bailed out on more than one occasion - while waiting for our vehicles
to be repaired after still another recall.
'67 Chevy pickup C20 with six banger and 4 speed. Best vehicle I ever
owned.

Looked like this.

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CBC /The Associated Press Posted: Sep 20, 2014
GM, Chrysler recalling hundreds of thousands of vehicles
Jeeps, Durangos, Cadillacs and Impalas among models affected
General Motors is recalling 221,558 Cadillac XTS and Chevrolet Impala
sedans, shown above, because the brake pads can stay partially engaged
even when they're not needed.
General Motors and Chrysler are both recalling hundreds of thousands
of vehicles with faulty parts that can cause injury. The impacted
models include the Cadillac XTS, Chevrolet Impala sedans, the Jeep
Grand Cherokees and Dodge Durangos.
General Motors is recalling 221,558 Cadillac XTS and Chevrolet Impala
sedans because the brake pads can stay partially engaged even when
they're not needed, increasing the risk of a fire.
The recall involves Cadillacs from the 2013-2015 model years and
Impalas from the 2014 and 2015 model years. There are 205,309 vehicles
affected in the U.S.; the rest of the vehicles are in Canada and
elsewhere.
GM says the electronic parking brake arm that applies pressure to the
back of the brake pads may not fully retract after use. If the brake
pads stay partially engaged with the rotor, excessive brake heat may
result in a fire.
GM says it knows of no accidents or injuries related to the defect.
GM will notify owners and repair the vehicles for free.
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Fuel pump problem leads to stalling
Chrysler is recalling almost 189,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees and Dodge
Durangos in the U.S. to fix a fuel pump problem that can cause the
SUVs to stall.
But a safety advocate says the recall doesn't cover enough models,
contending the same problem can happen in millions of other Chrysler,
Jeep and Ram vehicles. Behind The Wheel 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee
Chrysler is recalling almost 189,000 Jeep Grand Cherokees and Dodge
Durangos in the U.S. to fix a fuel pump problem that can cause the
SUVs to stall. (Chrysler/Associated Press)
The recall, posted Saturday by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration, covers some 2011 models with 3.6-liter V6 or 5.7-liter
V8 engines. Chrysler says a relay can fail, increasing the risk of a
crash, although the company said that as of Aug. 25, it wasn't aware
of any crashes or injuries from the problem.
The company began looking into the problem in October 2013 and traced
it to a spring that can become deformed because of heat.
The vehicles also might not start, and the fuel pump could keep
working even when the engine is shut off.
The recall covers SUVs built from Jan. 25, 2010 through July 20, 2011,
according to the NHTSA documents.
Dealers will replace the fuel pump relay for free starting Oct. 24.
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‘Chrysler should recall them all’
The Center for Auto Safety, a non-profit advocacy group founded by
Ralph Nader, says the recall is inadequate because more than 5 million
other Chrysler vehicles have the same fuel pump power control module
as the Grand Cherokee and Durango.
"Chrysler should recall them all," Clarence Ditlow, the centre's
executive director, said Saturday.
Ditlow's group filed a petition last month asking NHTSA to investigate
power system failures in Chrysler vehicles that could cause them to
stall while being driven.
In the petition, the group contended that an electrical power control
module used by Chrysler in millions of vehicles since 2007 can go
haywire, causing them to stall in traffic and cut off devices powered
by electricity. Chrysler-Investigations
Safety advocate says the recall doesn't cover enough models,
contending the same problem can happen in millions of other Chrysler,
Jeep and Ram vehicles. (Gene J. Puskar/Associated Press)
The allegation covered Ram pickup trucks, Chrysler and Dodge minivans,
the Jeep Grand Cherokee, Dodge Durango and Dodge Journey SUVs, the
Jeep Wrangler, and other models.
The safety group says it has received over 70 complaints and that the
government has received hundreds.
Chrysler recalls 42,380 SUVs in Canada for brake corrosion
NHTSA has yet to make a decision on whether to investigate the matter.
Chrysler said it is investigating consumer complaints and retrieving
components from vehicles in the field for a closer analysis. The
company says its vehicles meet all federal safety standards.
The centre's petition said that Chrysler's "Totally Integrated Power
Module," which includes a computer, relays and fuses, distributes
electrical power through the entire vehicle. In addition to stalling,
the faulty modules have may have caused air bags not to inflate and
fuel pumps to keep running, causing unintended acceleration and fires,
the petition said.
Ditlow said the company started phasing them out in 2012, but they
remain in the 2014 Jeep Wrangler and the Dodge and Chrysler minivans.
NHTSA also is looking into a New Jersey man's petition filed earlier
this month alleging that Chrysler minivans can stall unexpectedly
after refuelling.
Car owners and advocacy groups can petition the NHTSA asking for
investigations that sometimes lead to recalls. The Center for Auto
Safety has successfully petitioned NHTSA in the past, including one
instance that led to the recent recall of 1.56 million older Jeep SUVs
with fuel tanks mounted behind the rear axles.
The centre contended the tanks can leak fuel and cause fires in a
crash, while Chrysler maintains the tanks perform as well as
comparable models from other automakers.
dpb
2014-09-27 20:53:22 UTC
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I was foolish enough to buy one many years ago. Never, ever again . .
. Foreign vehicles - especially from Japan and even south Korea - are
built better, last longer, and have little or no recalls for most
models. Watch out for those that are assembled in North America,
though.
Here we go again, with General Motors - the company we taxpayers have
bailed out on more than one occasion - while waiting for our vehicles
to be repaired after still another recall.
'67 Chevy pickup C20 with six banger and 4 speed. Best vehicle I ever
owned.
Looked like this.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i32/jsh1970/67chevy003.jpg
...


Quite a number of them, yes...altho the current have had some, they have
been, mostly minor, nearly trivial things imo (like a mod to a plastic
clip on the seat belt holder for some bizarre reason I've never fathomed
and the like). They claim the key switch on the Enclave has the
"turnoff" flaw but haven't done it so far and I've seen no indication of
there being anything wrong, certainly as long as don't do something
that's basically dumb to begin with like hanging 5 lbs of junk on a key
chain in the lock to start with...

Meanwhile, I just noticed Honda, Nissan, Mazda had almost 3 million a
few months ago alone and Toyota had nearly 6.4M so GM certainly has lots
of company. That's for one item alone; I've not looked up just how many
they had in the big acceleration debacle of a couple years ago.

It's basically selective memory of what/who one wants to consider as
"flawed" to fit an agenda rather than the actual real comparative data
methinks. All vehicles are so complex any longer and there's such a
heightened issue w/ all the litigators looking for any class action they
can possibly glom onto for their next big paycheck it's almost a
foregone conclusion there will be a recall for something.

It's becoming no different than the pharmaceuticals ambulance chasers of
late night second-rate TV drumming up business for every possible
outcome they can find by scouring the recent issues of the medical
research journals for fodder...

--
Ashton Crusher
2014-09-27 23:50:16 UTC
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Post by dpb
On 20 Sep 2014, =?UTF-8?B?IiDCr1xcXyjjg4QpXy/CryDQoNCw0LjRgcmRIg==?=<"
I was foolish enough to buy one many years ago. Never, ever again . .
. Foreign vehicles - especially from Japan and even south Korea - are
built better, last longer, and have little or no recalls for most
models. Watch out for those that are assembled in North America,
though.
Here we go again, with General Motors - the company we taxpayers have
bailed out on more than one occasion - while waiting for our vehicles
to be repaired after still another recall.
'67 Chevy pickup C20 with six banger and 4 speed. Best vehicle I ever
owned.
Looked like this.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i32/jsh1970/67chevy003.jpg
...
Quite a number of them, yes...altho the current have had some, they have
been, mostly minor, nearly trivial things imo (like a mod to a plastic
clip on the seat belt holder for some bizarre reason I've never fathomed
and the like). They claim the key switch on the Enclave has the
"turnoff" flaw but haven't done it so far and I've seen no indication of
there being anything wrong, certainly as long as don't do something
that's basically dumb to begin with like hanging 5 lbs of junk on a key
chain in the lock to start with...
Meanwhile, I just noticed Honda, Nissan, Mazda had almost 3 million a
few months ago alone and Toyota had nearly 6.4M so GM certainly has lots
of company. That's for one item alone; I've not looked up just how many
they had in the big acceleration debacle of a couple years ago.
It's basically selective memory of what/who one wants to consider as
"flawed" to fit an agenda rather than the actual real comparative data
methinks. All vehicles are so complex any longer and there's such a
heightened issue w/ all the litigators looking for any class action they
can possibly glom onto for their next big paycheck it's almost a
foregone conclusion there will be a recall for something.
It's becoming no different than the pharmaceuticals ambulance chasers of
late night second-rate TV drumming up business for every possible
outcome they can find by scouring the recent issues of the medical
research journals for fodder...
+1

The "imports" have plenty of recalls and plenty of repairs. There
really isn't very much difference overall between the "quality" of
most cars today. I have noticed that if someone buys an "American"
car and a $10 part breaks they act like it was the end of the world
but when someone buys an "import" they will write a repair check for
$1000 and never give it a thought. A friend of mine keeps buying
Toyota's and Hondas and it seems like every one of them goes to the
shop twice a year for anywhere from $1000 to $2000 worth of work each
time. Yet he swears by their "quality".
Ed Pawlowski
2014-09-28 02:17:10 UTC
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Post by Ashton Crusher
The "imports" have plenty of recalls and plenty of repairs. There
really isn't very much difference overall between the "quality" of
most cars today. I have noticed that if someone buys an "American"
car and a $10 part breaks they act like it was the end of the world
but when someone buys an "import" they will write a repair check for
$1000 and never give it a thought.
Every manufacturer has had, and will continue to have, recalls and no
matter how well they plan and engineer, faults will come to light after
a period of time or miles.

The big deal right now with GM is that they knew of a problem, knew it
could be fixed cheaply, but they let it go on killing people. That,
IMO, is criminal.
Ashton Crusher
2014-09-29 02:01:35 UTC
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Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by Ashton Crusher
The "imports" have plenty of recalls and plenty of repairs. There
really isn't very much difference overall between the "quality" of
most cars today. I have noticed that if someone buys an "American"
car and a $10 part breaks they act like it was the end of the world
but when someone buys an "import" they will write a repair check for
$1000 and never give it a thought.
Every manufacturer has had, and will continue to have, recalls and no
matter how well they plan and engineer, faults will come to light after
a period of time or miles.
The big deal right now with GM is that they knew of a problem, knew it
could be fixed cheaply, but they let it go on killing people. That,
IMO, is criminal.
And the same it true of Toyota and most likely plenty of others that
were never discovered. Some Toyotas were locking the doors so the
occupants couldn't get out and then the overheated lock cylinders were
setting the doors on fire. Don't know if they killed anyone with
those or not. When everyone was all over Ford Explorers for rolling
over they ignored one of the Mercedes car models that had a much
higher roll over fatality rate. A lot of this is media driven. I'm
not trying to excuse GM, just pointing out that they are hardly alone
and that you can't make every manufactured product in the world 100%
free of risk during use.

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