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Colorado woman trapped in car for days after wreck sues Obama Motors
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Obama's Union Made Death Traps
2015-10-26 19:07:45 UTC
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A Colorado woman who was trapped inside her car for six days
after losing control and rolling 300 feet (90 meters) down a
mountainside is suing General Motors, saying her 2009 Chevy
Malibu's safety features failed, court records showed on
Wednesday.

Kristin Hopkins, 45, who had both of her lower legs amputated
following the April 2014 crash, alleges in the federal lawsuit
filed on Tuesday that the automaker knew before her wreck that
the Malibu's "crash avoidance" system was defective.

According to the negligence lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court
in Denver, motorists in Colorado must traverse winding mountain
roads, often in inclement weather, and the system designed to
slow a car down when it senses a loss of traction failed Hopkins
without warning.

"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.

GM said in a statement that the company "is learning details of
this tragic accident."

"We will investigate this matter and work to understand what
happened and why," the statement said.

Police said she lost control of her car on a curve near Red Hill
Pass, about 65 miles (105 km) southwest of Denver, and the
vehicle rolled several times down a steep embankment before
coming to rest upside down in a grove of Aspen trees.

Bleeding and suffering from multiple injuries, the single mother
of four spent six days inside the overturned vehicle in freezing
temperatures, scrawling distress messages on an umbrella that
she deployed outside the wrecked car.

A group of passing motorists ultimately spotted the crash site
and reported to authorities that they had found a body inside
the car.

When rescuers arrived on scene, they found Hopkins alive,
suffering from multiple injuries and hypothermia.

She underwent numerous surgeries and medical procedures but
doctors could not save her legs, which were amputated below the
knees.

While she was learning to walk on prosthetic limbs at a Denver-
area rehabilitation center, the lawsuit alleges that GM sent
Hopkins a recall notice telling her the car's safety system was
defective.

"This piece of mail cruelly notified her that she should take
her Malibu in for repairs as its safety systems may not work if
she finds herself in a crash avoidance situation," the lawsuit
said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/21/us-colorado-lawsuit-
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Winston_Smith
2015-10-26 21:37:11 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:07:45 +0100 (CET), "Obama's Union Made Death
Traps" <union-***@barackobama.com> wrote:

A truly moronic post. And I hate 0bama. The post is still moronic;
it's that dumb.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
A Colorado woman who was trapped inside her car for six days
after losing control and rolling 300 feet (90 meters) down a
mountainside is suing General Motors, saying her 2009 Chevy
Malibu's safety features failed, court records showed on
Wednesday.
Driving off the road and rolling down a mountain is hardly what the
"crash avoidance" system is intended to address. Can I drive 100 mph
at a brick wall and assume the car will take care of me? You bleeding
heart, take no personal responsibility, liberals obviously think so.

Her car was very likely made before the GM bailout. Certainly the
design was nailed down before the Great 0h? had anything to do with
GM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization
"The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to
complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the
Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009"

The Great 0h? didn't take office until January 2009. Also note Bush
had his hands on this before 0bama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization
"On December 2, 2008, General Motors submitted its "Restructuring Plan
for Long-Term Viability" to the Senate Banking Committee and House of
Representatives Financial Services Committee. Congress declined to
act, but in December 2008 the Bush administration provided a "bridge
loan" to General Motors with the requirement of a revised business
plan."

Pretty much everything 0bama has done has been an extension of Bush
policies.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Guardrails are a state responsibility. Learning to not drive off
cliffs is a driver responsibility.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
Police said she lost control of her car on a curve near Red Hill
Pass, about 65 miles (105 km) southwest of Denver, and the
vehicle rolled several times down a steep embankment before
coming to rest upside down in a grove of Aspen trees.
Bleeding and suffering from multiple injuries, the single mother
of four spent six days inside the overturned vehicle in freezing
temperatures, scrawling distress messages on an umbrella that
she deployed outside the wrecked car.
And Obama never read them. Right? She should have been given
government approved umbrellas, guaranteed to work. Right? Dumb
bleeding heart, take no personal responsibility, liberals.
Info
2015-10-27 03:57:36 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:07:45 +0100 (CET), "Obama's Union Made Death
A truly moronic post. And I hate 0bama. The post is still moronic;
it's that dumb.
+1
Ashton Crusher
2015-10-30 19:24:25 UTC
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:37:11 -0700, Winston_Smith
Post by Winston_Smith
On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 20:07:45 +0100 (CET), "Obama's Union Made Death
A truly moronic post. And I hate 0bama. The post is still moronic;
it's that dumb.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
A Colorado woman who was trapped inside her car for six days
after losing control and rolling 300 feet (90 meters) down a
mountainside is suing General Motors, saying her 2009 Chevy
Malibu's safety features failed, court records showed on
Wednesday.
Driving off the road and rolling down a mountain is hardly what the
"crash avoidance" system is intended to address. Can I drive 100 mph
at a brick wall and assume the car will take care of me? You bleeding
heart, take no personal responsibility, liberals obviously think so.
Her car was very likely made before the GM bailout. Certainly the
design was nailed down before the Great 0h? had anything to do with
GM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization
"The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to
complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the
Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009"
The Great 0h? didn't take office until January 2009. Also note Bush
had his hands on this before 0bama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization
"On December 2, 2008, General Motors submitted its "Restructuring Plan
for Long-Term Viability" to the Senate Banking Committee and House of
Representatives Financial Services Committee. Congress declined to
act, but in December 2008 the Bush administration provided a "bridge
loan" to General Motors with the requirement of a revised business
plan."
Pretty much everything 0bama has done has been an extension of Bush
policies.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Guardrails are a state responsibility. Learning to not drive off
cliffs is a driver responsibility.
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
Police said she lost control of her car on a curve near Red Hill
Pass, about 65 miles (105 km) southwest of Denver, and the
vehicle rolled several times down a steep embankment before
coming to rest upside down in a grove of Aspen trees.
Bleeding and suffering from multiple injuries, the single mother
of four spent six days inside the overturned vehicle in freezing
temperatures, scrawling distress messages on an umbrella that
she deployed outside the wrecked car.
And Obama never read them. Right? She should have been given
government approved umbrellas, guaranteed to work. Right? Dumb
bleeding heart, take no personal responsibility, liberals.
Sounds like this woman was so stupid she deserved to die as part of
the evolutionary process. She should thank GM that the airbags saved
her from her own stupidity.
rbowman
2015-10-27 01:17:50 UTC
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Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Then there were all those decades when Colorado drivers relied on their
own skills for survival...
Jade Helm
2015-10-27 02:41:56 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Then there were all those decades when Colorado drivers relied on their
own skills for survival...
I would surmise that attorneys for China Motors (GM) will argue that the
driver was driving too fast for conditions, which was due to her failure
to slow down, not the "crash avoidance features" the article mentions.
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iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
2015-10-27 03:32:01 UTC
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Post by Jade Helm
Post by rbowman
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Then there were all those decades when Colorado drivers relied on their
own skills for survival...
I would surmise that attorneys for China Motors (GM) will argue that the
driver was driving too fast for conditions, which was due to her failure
to slow down, not the "crash avoidance features" the article mentions.
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
rbowman
2015-10-27 04:14:20 UTC
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Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.

There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
Stormin Mormon
2015-10-27 12:57:09 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
Opens interesting line of thought. What do people
(foolishly) do because they are over reliant on
technology? Driving the winding mountain roads is
one.

Plenty other examples, I'd guess.
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rbowman
2015-10-27 13:52:48 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
Opens interesting line of thought. What do people
(foolishly) do because they are over reliant on
technology? Driving the winding mountain roads is
one.
Plenty other examples, I'd guess.
There have been studies that suggest motorcyclists wearing helmet take
more chances and perhaps are involved in more accidents. Personally I
know when I wear a helmet I feel more isolated and 'safer' than when my
beard is blowing in the wind. And that isn't even technology. Traction
and stability control is spreading to bikes and may be mandated sometime
in the future. That should prove interesting. I may even be senile
enough to dive into a corner at a speed well above my competence if I
think electronics will make everything okay. Or I may have just decided
a pine tree at 120 mph was preferable to a one way trip to Sunny Acres
Assisted Living Facility. Never can tell.
PaxPerPoten
2015-10-28 05:06:29 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
On 10/26/2015 09:32 PM, iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
Opens interesting line of thought. What do people
(foolishly) do because they are over reliant on
technology? Driving the winding mountain roads is
one.
Plenty other examples, I'd guess.
Example:You being a big shot or just someone who has upset others..Are
cruising along in your self driving car..watching opera, When a paid
assassin hacker in Amsterdam hacks you vehicle and you suddenly find
yourself air born over the grand canyon, descending at terminal
velocity. Just another fatality due to a computer glitch.
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be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Ashton Crusher
2015-10-30 19:26:04 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
I used to drive thru blizzards in V8 powered RWD death traps. Somehow
I got thru. Yet today all the fancy 4x4's are slid off the side of
the road.
.
2015-10-30 19:35:23 UTC
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Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by rbowman
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
I used to drive thru blizzards in V8 powered RWD death traps. Somehow
I got thru. Yet today all the fancy 4x4's are slid off the side of
the road.
By your reasoning, it's unfortunate that you didn't die due to your own
stupidity.
Ashton Crusher
2015-11-01 18:33:12 UTC
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Post by .
Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by rbowman
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
I used to drive thru blizzards in V8 powered RWD death traps. Somehow
I got thru. Yet today all the fancy 4x4's are slid off the side of
the road.
By your reasoning, it's unfortunate that you didn't die due to your own
stupidity.
Yeah, I should have stopped in the middle of nowhere and froze to
death instead of continuing thru.
.
2015-11-02 00:00:15 UTC
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Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by .
Post by Ashton Crusher
Post by rbowman
Post by iUGZi☢← M°i°g°h°t°y ∞ W°a°n°n°a°b°e →☢gnDgv
No "crash avoidance system" can prevent an idiot from driving too fast
and going over a cliff.
We're rapidly coming to the season where some 4WD vehicle owners will
find 4 sliding tires work about as well as two. I've got traction and
stability control in my vehicle and I play with it on snow and ice to
see what it will do. It does function rather well except if you push it
too far it will stop you completely until you learn to drive like an
adult. That's when I'm playing. In normal driving it doesn't come into
play because I'm not exceeding the limits of traction.
There is an effect where an added feeling of safety encourages less safe
behavior.
I used to drive thru blizzards in V8 powered RWD death traps. Somehow
I got thru. Yet today all the fancy 4x4's are slid off the side of
the road.
By your reasoning, it's unfortunate that you didn't die due to your own
stupidity.
Yeah, I should have stopped in the middle of nowhere and froze to
death instead of continuing thru.
Yes because as everyone knows, blizzards combined with
cold weather, and deep snow comes out of nowhere
without the slightest warning or indication of any kind.

rbowman
2015-10-31 01:52:03 UTC
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Post by Ashton Crusher
I used to drive thru blizzards in V8 powered RWD death traps. Somehow
I got thru. Yet today all the fancy 4x4's are slid off the side of
the road.
One winter when the blizzard was so bad the NYS Thruway was closed from
NYC to Albany I managed to get home from Jersey in a '62 Falcon. When I
got back to Troy I got stuck running errands since the Falcon was one of
the few cars on the road.
Stormin Mormon
2015-10-27 12:36:07 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Obama's Union Made Death Traps
"Given these unavoidable driving conditions, and with guardrails
rarely present, Colorado drivers must rely on these paramount
crash avoidance features for their very survival," the lawsuit
said.
Then there were all those decades when Colorado drivers relied on their
own skills for survival...
Are you suggesting that a driver is some how responsible
for her own safety on the road? That is so totally
against any thing the Obama Phone admin is trying to
do with our nation. Watch as people pile on, and call
you heartless and cruel.....
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learn more about Jesus
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rbowman
2015-10-27 13:46:18 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
Are you suggesting that a driver is some how responsible
for her own safety on the road? That is so totally
against any thing the Obama Phone admin is trying to
do with our nation. Watch as people pile on, and call
you heartless and cruel.....
I realize that accepting responsibility for your own life is an outmoded
concept. Good luck to those people.
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