Manhours per car

How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Mike Hunter

2008-11-25 17:37:08 UTC

FWD or RWD?

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

PeterD

2008-11-25 19:35:33 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

Tim

2008-11-25 20:27:13 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

PeterD

2008-11-26 00:16:53 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

Try "pick a number", and I'm sure there is an assembly line that will
match... Really. Some cars are essentially hand made (The Hummer H1
was an example) with a lot of hours, some cars are robot/automation
made with just a few hours. There is no right number, unless you can
narrow it down to a car/model combination.

Tim

2008-11-26 00:30:01 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?

Jane

2008-11-26 09:32:47 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.

"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

Tim

2008-11-26 15:15:38 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.
"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

OK, so if these workers take $5/hour less in wages, it will amount to
less than $100 per car.
Is that really a significant amount or do we expect them to work for
$10/hour less which is still only $160 per car?

Jane

2008-11-26 20:29:46 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.
"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

There's the rub: the autoworkers' wages are a very small fraction of
the cost of a car. Having said that, I know many of the workers in
Oshawa have expressed a willing ness to take a paycut if it saves
their jobs.

Tim

2008-11-26 23:55:10 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.
"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

How low will you go? Do I hear $15/hr?

Jane

2008-11-27 00:50:10 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

OK, how many man hours is used when assembling the Grand Prix?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.
"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

How low will you go? Do I hear $15/hr?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Frankly, I wouldn't work there for $15/hour. Mind-numbing and too
hard on the body at my age. I am actually taking a buyout and will be
finished at Christmas time. I have an education I never used; I am
going to upgrade it and start a new career.

Happy Trails

2008-11-27 00:52:33 UTC

Post by Tim
OK, so if these workers take $5/hour less in wages, it will amount to
less than $100 per car.
Is that really a significant amount or do we expect them to work for
$10/hour less which is still only $160 per car?

Two comments:

1/ Is that 16.whatever "manhours", or an elapsed time of 16.whatever
hours in an operation that involves a few hundred if not thousands of
workers when you count office staff, contractors, etc?

2/ Even if you are estimating a cut of only $100 per car in the
labour cost for assembly, then you are obviously looking in the wrong
place to cut the cost of a vehicle. I expect you have a hardon about
GM hourly-paid workers, and will do any amount of dipshit thinking to
justify that they get paid less.

How stupid is that? Look for cuts in the big costs, not the small
ones.

Ed Pawlowski

2008-11-27 03:59:14 UTC

Post by Jane
In 2007, the Oshawa #2 car plant was building the Grand Prix (it was
discontinued in Dec of that year). According to the Harbour Report
(http://www.mechdir.com/press/catalog/906/index.html), it took 15.68
hours. Quote: "Among vehicle assembly plants, GM's Oshawa #2 plant,
which assembles the Pontiac Grand Prix, Buick LaCrosse and Buick
Allure, set the individual plant benchmark for labor productivity with
a measure of 15.68 hours per vehicle, followed closely by its
adjoining Oshawa #1 plant that produces the Chevrolet Impala and Monte
Carlo, Oshawa #1 posted a 16.34 HPV performance.
"GM Oshawa historically has had one of the best work forces of any
assembly plant in the industry and the data proves that," Harbour
said. "The total site builds 20% of GM's North American volume and
does it well." "

OK, so if these workers take $5/hour less in wages, it will amount to less
than $100 per car.
Is that really a significant amount or do we expect them to work for
$10/hour less which is still only $160 per car?

Are we counting all the labor? Does that include assembling just the car or
does it include the assembly of the transmission, engine, alternator, etc.?

It is not just the guy on the line being paid too. Include the warehouse,
truck drivers, expediters, payroll, billing, janitors, etc. Not all are UAW,
but most will have some parity with union wages.

Tim

2008-11-27 19:12:31 UTC

OK, so if these workers take $5/hour less in wages, it will amount to less
than $100 per car.
Is that really a significant amount or do we expect them to work for
$10/hour less which is still only $160 per car?

Are we counting all the labor? Does that include assembling just the car or
does it include the assembly of the transmission, engine, alternator, etc.?
It is not just the guy on the line being paid too. Include the warehouse,
truck drivers, expediters, payroll, billing, janitors, etc. Not all are UAW,
but most will have some parity with union wages.

OK, so what are the numbers of blue collar worker hours?

Mike Hunter

2008-11-28 18:06:45 UTC

I am intrigued by the fact companies will pay their non-exempt employees
MORE, and give them better benefits, than their represented employees.
Their exempt employees get paid even more than their non-exempt employees
and are given even better benefits, yet the company points to the cost of
union employees LOL

Are we counting all the labor? Does that include assembling just the car
or does it include the assembly of the transmission, engine, alternator,
etc.?
It is not just the guy on the line being paid too. Include the warehouse,
truck drivers, expediters, payroll, billing, janitors, etc. Not all are
UAW, but most will have some parity with union wages.

Ed Pawlowski

2008-11-29 15:25:10 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
I am intrigued by the fact companies will pay their non-exempt employees
MORE, and give them better benefits, than their represented employees.
Their exempt employees get paid even more than their non-exempt employees
and are given even better benefits, yet the company points to the cost of
union employees LOL

They value brains over brawn?

Nate Nagel

2008-11-29 16:32:30 UTC

They value brains over brawn?

You expected an intelligent post from "Mike?" Obviously he does not
understand that "exempt" employees are usually management and/or college
grads, who have higher living expenses due to their personal
expenditures in education to *get* those higher paying jobs. They also
feel like they've earned higher compensation and if one employer doesn't
offer it are more than happy to look for alternate employment elsewhere,
as they generally have broadly applicable skill sets and are otherwise
versatile and also if college educated have already exhibited
trainability for a new position if required.

yes, I am in an exempt position and make no apologies for my "high"
salary. Especially considering that I still have a high COL even now
that I've paid off my student loans, due to location. My employer seems
to agree that I am fairly compensated as I am still employed.

The one time that I felt that I was possibly being overpaid, oddly
enough, was when I was working in the automotive industry (briefly,
before everything went to hell in a handbasket in early 2001.)

nate

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Mike Hunter

2008-11-29 18:41:00 UTC

You missed the point of my post. I said the auto manufactures talk about
the 'cost' of a union employee but they VOLUNTARY give better benefits and
pay to non-exempts. Obviously they do so to dissuade the non-exempts from
joining a union. An exempt is likely to be worth more to an employer but do
you really think a file clerk, or time keeper, is worth more to an employer
than an assembler?

When the steel industry was going in the tank the first to lose their
benefits and the first to be fired were the non-exempts, untill they too
joined the Steelworkers union to protect their benefits. The non-exempts
are joining the UAW for the same reasons.

Post by Nate Nagel

Post by Mike Hunter
I am intrigued by the fact companies will pay their non-exempt employees
MORE, and give them better benefits, than their represented employees.
Their exempt employees get paid even more than their non-exempt
employees and are given even better benefits, yet the company points to
the cost of union employees LOL

They value brains over brawn?

You expected an intelligent post from "Mike?" Obviously he does not
understand that "exempt" employees are usually management and/or college
grads, who have higher living expenses due to their personal expenditures
in education to *get* those higher paying jobs. They also feel like
they've earned higher compensation and if one employer doesn't offer it
are more than happy to look for alternate employment elsewhere, as they
generally have broadly applicable skill sets and are otherwise versatile
and also if college educated have already exhibited trainability for a new
position if required.
yes, I am in an exempt position and make no apologies for my "high"
salary. Especially considering that I still have a high COL even now that
I've paid off my student loans, due to location. My employer seems to
agree that I am fairly compensated as I am still employed.
The one time that I felt that I was possibly being overpaid, oddly enough,
was when I was working in the automotive industry (briefly, before
everything went to hell in a handbasket in early 2001.)
nate
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Nate Nagel

2008-11-29 22:08:35 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
You missed the point of my post. I said the auto manufactures talk about
the 'cost' of a union employee but they VOLUNTARY give better benefits and
pay to non-exempts.

yeah, because they add more value.

Post by Mike Hunter
Obviously they do so to dissuade the non-exempts from
joining a union.

No, they do this to retain quality employees.

Post by Mike Hunter
An exempt is likely to be worth more to an employer but do
you really think a file clerk, or time keeper, is worth more to an employer
than an assembler?

Seeing as they're all likely non-exempt, it's moot. Exempt are likely
engineers, project managers, actual managers with direct reports, etc.

nate

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Mike Hunter

2008-11-29 23:36:46 UTC

Again you missed the point. They VOLUNTARY give better benefits and pay to
non-exempts,
why not simply give them equal benefits and pay if union employee costs are
already a PROBLEM?

Exempts the engineers, project managers, actual managers with direct
reports, etc. privy to businesses practices who have there own contract with
the business owner and therefore can not unionize

Post by Nate Nagel

Post by Mike Hunter
You missed the point of my post. I said the auto manufactures talk
about the 'cost' of a union employee but they VOLUNTARY give better
benefits and pay to non-exempts.

yeah, because they add more value.

Post by Mike Hunter
Obviously they do so to dissuade the non-exempts from joining a union.

No, they do this to retain quality employees.

Post by Mike Hunter
An exempt is likely to be worth more to an employer but do you really
think a file clerk, or time keeper, is worth more to an employer than an
assembler?

Seeing as they're all likely non-exempt, it's moot. Exempt are likely
engineers, project managers, actual managers with direct reports, etc.
nate
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Mike Hunter

2008-11-29 18:25:38 UTC

I doubt that. Many of my highest paid union techs had associate or degrees
in electronics and earned over 100K annually. My non-exempt shop foreman
and exempt managers worked on salary/commission, based on the net shop
outcome.

After my shops unionized I had smarter better paid employees that reduced
come backs for me, as well as down time for our customers, that helped grow
my business. Everybody benefited by making the shop more profitable. Those
that did pull their share of the load were let go union, non-exempt and
exempt alike. Being a union member could not prevent me from firing
anybody who could not or would not do the job at which they were qualified

I had to buy out my partner because he thought the Union would ruin our
business. He told me after I sold the business that grow from six shops in
two eastern states to twenty six in six states that he really screwed up.
Any body who says different does nto know what they are talking about.

They value brains over brawn?

Mike Hunter

2008-11-26 02:06:34 UTC

It is not that simple. When you see robot welders welding bodies together
on TV, THAT IS NOT done on the assemble line. Welding bodies together is
pre-assembly. The body in then painted and the buck stored to cure before
being picked to go on the actual assembly line at a later time. FWD drive
assemblies are preassembled as are doors, dashboards, seats and
tires/wheels. On RWD vehicles, the engine and tranny put together after
preassembly of the parts. No vehicle is assembled in a few hours. They
come of the line every few minutes but they are on the line for more than a
shift. Pre-assembly can be days. In plant the also does the stamping,
from the time the steel enters the plant untill an assembled car is driven
off the line car be weeks

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

r***@gmail.com

2008-11-26 04:53:45 UTC

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

- Show quoted text -

might get a better response trying to contact the public relations
office at gm or perhaps a dealership might help

Tim

2008-11-26 15:11:54 UTC

Post by Mike Hunter
It is not that simple. When you see robot welders welding bodies together
on TV, THAT IS NOT done on the assemble line. Welding bodies together is
pre-assembly. The body in then painted and the buck stored to cure before
being picked to go on the actual assembly line at a later time. FWD drive
assemblies are preassembled as are doors, dashboards, seats and
tires/wheels. On RWD vehicles, the engine and tranny put together after
preassembly of the parts. No vehicle is assembled in a few hours. They
come of the line every few minutes but they are on the line for more than a
shift. Pre-assembly can be days. In plant the also does the stamping,
from the time the steel enters the plant untill an assembled car is driven
off the line car be weeks

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

I used to spot weld those bodies together 30 years ago and it was on
the assembly line, as far as I was concerned. It was certainly in the
main plant that did all of the other assembly work.

Mike Hunter

2008-11-26 20:34:42 UTC

That was thirty years ago, a robot does ALL the body welding today and it is
preassembly

Post by Mike Hunter
It is not that simple. When you see robot welders welding bodies
together on TV, THAT IS NOT done on the assemble line. Welding bodies
together is pre-assembly. The body in then painted and the buck stored
to cure before being picked to go on the actual assembly line at a later
time. FWD drive assemblies are preassembled as are doors, dashboards,
seats and tires/wheels. On RWD vehicles, the engine and tranny put
together after preassembly of the parts. No vehicle is assembled in a
few hours. They come of the line every few minutes but they are on the
line for more than a shift. Pre-assembly can be days. In plant the
also does the stamping, from the time the steel enters the plant untill
an assembled car is driven off the line car be weeks

Post by Tim
How many manhours are required to assemble a car on the actual assembly
line?

Which car, which assembly line?

I don't need it down to the minute. Is it 8 hours or 16 hours or what.

I used to spot weld those bodies together 30 years ago and it was on the
assembly line, as far as I was concerned. It was certainly in the main
plant that did all of the other assembly work.

m***@gmail.com

2017-12-03 01:54:21 UTC