What are "leather appointed" seats?

[MartyK]

What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?

Marty

[Eugene]

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

I think it means partly, as in leather trimmed.

[Robertwgross]

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?

It varies by manufacturer. Generally, it means that the actual seating surfaces
are leather, but the non-seating surfaces, like the sides, are synthetic. Some
people love leather, and some people hate it. YMMV.

---Bob Gross---

[M***@lycos.com]

The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
as standard equipment.


mike hunt

Post by Robertwgross

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?

It varies by manufacturer. Generally, it means that the actual seating surfaces
are leather, but the non-seating surfaces, like the sides, are synthetic. Some
people love leather, and some people hate it. YMMV.
---Bob Gross---

[Robertwgross]

Post by M***@lycos.com
The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
as standard equipment.

A friend wanted to buy a Volvo, but all of the dealers here would only offer
one with leather seats, and he wanted something simpler. So, he ordered a
European version of the same Volvo and took possession at a German sea port and
had it shipped to the USA west coast. That version has the simpler seats, but
that is a hell of a long way to go for it.

---Bob Gross---

[SgtSilicon]

That seems almost silly to the point of being unbelievable. For all
that trouble and expsense, why wouldn't he just buy the one with
leather, then buy the cloth seats or whatever? Seems it would be
easier to obtain hard to get seats than hard to get whole cars.

Post by Robertwgross

Post by M***@lycos.com
The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
as standard equipment.

A friend wanted to buy a Volvo, but all of the dealers here would only offer
one with leather seats, and he wanted something simpler. So, he ordered a
European version of the same Volvo and took possession at a German sea port and
had it shipped to the USA west coast. That version has the simpler seats, but
that is a hell of a long way to go for it.
---Bob Gross---

[Robertwgross]

Post by SgtSilicon
That seems almost silly to the point of being unbelievable. For all
that trouble and expsense, why wouldn't he just buy the one with
leather, then buy the cloth seats or whatever? Seems it would be
easier to obtain hard to get seats than hard to get whole cars.

Trouble and expense? No.

My friend holds a British passport, so he flew over there, took possession of a
European version of the Volvo, saved a bundle of cash on the deal, had it
shipped back home, and the cash savings paid for his trip to Europe.

Plus, I guess he didn't like leather.

---Bob Gross---

[SgtSilicon]

Post by Robertwgross

Post by SgtSilicon
That seems almost silly to the point of being unbelievable. For all
that trouble and expsense, why wouldn't he just buy the one with
leather, then buy the cloth seats or whatever? Seems it would be
easier to obtain hard to get seats than hard to get whole cars.

Trouble and expense? No.
My friend holds a British passport, so he flew over there, took possession of a
European version of the Volvo, saved a bundle of cash on the deal, had it
shipped back home, and the cash savings paid for his trip to Europe.
Plus, I guess he didn't like leather.
---Bob Gross---

Well now that you put it that way...

[M***@lycos.com]

How did you get around paying the duty and the shipping
costs? A few years back my one son bought a Harley in London
for $1,500 less than one cost in the US. When they discovered he
wanted to take it the the states they advise him to simply buy
one in the US since the shipping cost was over $1,000 and the
duty was over $2,000. He told the dealer the ordering time for a
new Fat Boy in the US was a year, besides he could get around
both costs by bringing it back
on 'his' airplane. The dealer asked what kind of plane he had
that can take on a motorcycle? He told him; 'I can
carry hundreds of them.' He flew a C5. ;)




mike hunt

Post by Robertwgross

Post by SgtSilicon
That seems almost silly to the point of being unbelievable. For all
that trouble and expsense, why wouldn't he just buy the one with
leather, then buy the cloth seats or whatever? Seems it would be
easier to obtain hard to get seats than hard to get whole cars.

Trouble and expense? No.
My friend holds a British passport, so he flew over there, took possession of a
European version of the Volvo, saved a bundle of cash on the deal, had it
shipped back home, and the cash savings paid for his trip to Europe.
Plus, I guess he didn't like leather.
---Bob Gross---

[jamie]

Post by Robertwgross
A friend wanted to buy a Volvo, but all of the dealers here would only offer
one with leather seats, and he wanted something simpler. So, he ordered a
European version of the same Volvo and took possession at a German sea port and
had it shipped to the USA west coast. That version has the simpler seats, but
that is a hell of a long way to go for it.
---Bob Gross---

Anyone heard of seat covers cost stuff all and cover all manner of surfaces so
people more money than brains lol

[James C. Reeves]

I have leather in my current vehicle. To damn cold in the winter (at least
until the seat warmer can get cranked up) and too damn hot in the summer when
1st getting into the car after work. The leather-wrapped steering wheel and
shift knob also are too hot to hold in the summer...very unsafe A waste of
money in my opinion. Leather sure does look nice though!

<***@lycos.com> wrote in message news:***@lycos.com...
| The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
| but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
| as standard equipment.
|
|
| mike hunt
|
|
|
| Robertwgross wrote:
| >
| > MartyK wrote:
| > >What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
| > >this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
| > >they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
| > >any seats these days?
| >
| > It varies by manufacturer. Generally, it means that the actual seating
surfaces
| > are leather, but the non-seating surfaces, like the sides, are synthetic.
Some
| > people love leather, and some people hate it. YMMV.
| >
| > ---Bob Gross---

[M***@lycos.com]

Not a problem on my cars, they have remote starters and automatic
climate control. ;)


mike hunt

Post by James C. Reeves
I have leather in my current vehicle. To damn cold in the winter (at least
until the seat warmer can get cranked up) and too damn hot in the summer when
1st getting into the car after work. The leather-wrapped steering wheel and
shift knob also are too hot to hold in the summer...very unsafe A waste of
money in my opinion. Leather sure does look nice though!
| The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
| but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
| as standard equipment.
|
|
| mike hunt
|
|
|
| >
| > >What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
| > >this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
| > >they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
| > >any seats these days?
| >
| > It varies by manufacturer. Generally, it means that the actual seating
surfaces
| > are leather, but the non-seating surfaces, like the sides, are synthetic.
Some
| > people love leather, and some people hate it. YMMV.
| >
| > ---Bob Gross---

[Dave the Rave]

Post by M***@lycos.com
The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
as standard equipment.
mike hunt

I just purchased a Buick Regal, which is considered a luxury car.
It has leather-appointed seats.
There is fabric on the sides.


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[Woody]

Post by M***@lycos.com
The people that hate leather probably never had leather,
but vinyl. You can't buy a luxury car that does not have leather
as standard equipment.
mike hunt

Every luxury brand has a pleather/vinyl/synthetic option, at the least. Some
of the German cars, and maybe others, don't even have the option for real
leather. Come on, let's be truthful. And yes, it is possible someone has had
real leather and didn't like it, I hear it all the time. Not everyone is the
exact same. I don't get it, but people are weird. Although some of those fur
seats are really nice! Haha

[M***@lycos.com]

Simply means the trim appointments on the seat are leather.
Except for ultra luxury cars, only seating surface is leather
when they say leather interior, not the sides or backs of the
seats. There are also different grades of leather. Lesser
cars like Toyotas use split cow hide, with a man made finish.
Cars like Lincoln and Lexus use calf skin with a natural finish,
like cheap shoes and fine leather shoes.


mike hunt

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

[SgtSilicon]

Mike, my 2001 Camaro Z28 seems to have FULLY leather seats. Did I
miss something? Then again, I don't remember it being called leathe
r"appointed either, but rather just "leather seats".

Post by M***@lycos.com
Simply means the trim appointments on the seat are leather.
Except for ultra luxury cars, only seating surface is leather
when they say leather interior, not the sides or backs of the
seats. There are also different grades of leather. Lesser
cars like Toyotas use split cow hide, with a man made finish.
Cars like Lincoln and Lexus use calf skin with a natural finish,
like cheap shoes and fine leather shoes.
mike hunt

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

[M***@lycos.com]

Smell the seating surface then smell the back of the
setback. I believe you will smell the difference. ;)


mike hunt

Post by SgtSilicon
Mike, my 2001 Camaro Z28 seems to have FULLY leather seats. Did I
miss something? Then again, I don't remember it being called leathe
r"appointed either, but rather just "leather seats".

Post by M***@lycos.com
Simply means the trim appointments on the seat are leather.
Except for ultra luxury cars, only seating surface is leather
when they say leather interior, not the sides or backs of the
seats. There are also different grades of leather. Lesser
cars like Toyotas use split cow hide, with a man made finish.
Cars like Lincoln and Lexus use calf skin with a natural finish,
like cheap shoes and fine leather shoes.
mike hunt

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

[SgtSilicon]

That's not fair, I often fart on the seating surface. So there's
bound to be a difference. Hehe.

Post by M***@lycos.com
Smell the seating surface then smell the back of the
setback. I believe you will smell the difference. ;)
mike hunt

Post by SgtSilicon
Mike, my 2001 Camaro Z28 seems to have FULLY leather seats. Did I
miss something? Then again, I don't remember it being called leathe
r"appointed either, but rather just "leather seats".

Post by M***@lycos.com
Simply means the trim appointments on the seat are leather.
Except for ultra luxury cars, only seating surface is leather
when they say leather interior, not the sides or backs of the
seats. There are also different grades of leather. Lesser
cars like Toyotas use split cow hide, with a man made finish.
Cars like Lincoln and Lexus use calf skin with a natural finish,
like cheap shoes and fine leather shoes.
mike hunt

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

[Dave the Rave]

Post by MartyK
What do they mean when they decribe seats as "leather appointed"? Is
this just a sneaky way of telling you they're not real leather, or
they're only partly leather upholstered. Do they use all leather on
any seats these days?
Marty

"Leather Appointed" means only part of the seat is leather.
I just purchased a Buick Regal with "Leather Appointed" seats.
Buick Regals are considered to be luxury cars.
The sides of the bottom portion of the seats and the lower portion of the
inner side of the back portion of the seats are fabric.
Some other manufacturer may make parts of "leather appointed seats" with vinyl
or some other synthetic material.
There is no "dictionary" definition of "leather appointed", so specifics could
vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and from model to model of a single
manufacturer. I've had customer service person of one manufacturer tell me
the surfaces in contact with the body are leather and another customer service
person of the same manufacturer tell me the surfaces not in contact with my
body were leather (one of them being wrong).


If you tell a dealer salesperson you want leather, he/she could likely point
you to the "XLE" model or the "EX-L" or whatever, and not necessarily point
out that the brochure or window sticker says "leather appointed". So, if you
are not "looking for it" you could purchase a car with a combination of
vinyl/fabric/leather seats even though you asked for "leather".

Oh, and whatever is "leather" and "not leather" on "leather appointed" seats
could change from one year to the next prior to any major design changes.

Bottom line: Ask for the specific car you are looking at, and don't think the
person you ask knows what he/she is talking about.


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