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Stereo LOC'ed, Unlock method? 1992 Olds '88
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Jeff Walther
2003-06-23 23:08:33 UTC
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I recently had the A/C fixed on my car and when I got it back the stereo
displayed LOC and will not work. My parents are the original owners and
know nothing about any anti-theft system. So I read the Owner's Manual
and there is no mention of this LOC "feature" anywhere in the manual.

I've done a bit of searching on the web and found a method that involves
holding down either the 2 & 3 keys or the Set key, but neither of these
methods appear to work on this model. I suspect those methods only work
on newer models.

Anyone know a way of unlocking this that will save me from paying the
dealership $40? I wouldn't mind paying if it was my oversight, but the
fact that there's no mention of any such system in the Owner's Manual just
steams me to no end. I called the GM "Customer Service" line but they
just referred me to paying bucks at the dealership. I explained to them
that this was hardly fair given that there was no mention of this system
in the documentation, and they blew me off.

Alternatively, if there's not a simple known method of unlocking the
thing, how do I remove it from the dash? I don't see any obvious joints
or screws. I bet the code is either maintained by NVRAM running off a
small internal battery or on an EEPROM or FLASH which I can erase with my
handy dandy EEPROM programmer.

Thank you for any helpful or humorous comments.
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Robert Hancock
2003-06-24 00:19:25 UTC
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If the code is unknown, there's no way to unlock it other than calling up
Delco and getting the master unlock code for the radio. The trick with the 2
and 3 keys just gets you the number that you give Delco so that they can
give you the code. It's an automated telephone system that's used, but you
need a valid dealer code to access it.

If the radio has had too many attempts at the code, it won't even give you
that number, then you have to let it sit powered up for a full hour before
you can do anything more with it.

To get the radio out, you need to remove whatever dash trim covers the
outside edge of the radio. There will be some screws on the left and right
to hold it into the dash.

As far as unlocking it by nuking the memory chip, I would be surprised if
the chip were not soldered to the circuit board, and most likely erasing it
would just make the radio completely inoperative..

It's rather bizarre that the radio would have Theftlock on it but that it
wouldn't be mentioned in the manual. Are you sure it's the original radio?
Somebody would have to have programmed in a code to activate the Theftlock,
too..
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Post by Jeff Walther
I recently had the A/C fixed on my car and when I got it back the stereo
displayed LOC and will not work. My parents are the original owners and
know nothing about any anti-theft system. So I read the Owner's Manual
and there is no mention of this LOC "feature" anywhere in the manual.
I've done a bit of searching on the web and found a method that involves
holding down either the 2 & 3 keys or the Set key, but neither of these
methods appear to work on this model. I suspect those methods only work
on newer models.
Anyone know a way of unlocking this that will save me from paying the
dealership $40? I wouldn't mind paying if it was my oversight, but the
fact that there's no mention of any such system in the Owner's Manual just
steams me to no end. I called the GM "Customer Service" line but they
just referred me to paying bucks at the dealership. I explained to them
that this was hardly fair given that there was no mention of this system
in the documentation, and they blew me off.
Alternatively, if there's not a simple known method of unlocking the
thing, how do I remove it from the dash? I don't see any obvious joints
or screws. I bet the code is either maintained by NVRAM running off a
small internal battery or on an EEPROM or FLASH which I can erase with my
handy dandy EEPROM programmer.
Thank you for any helpful or humorous comments.
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Jeff Walther
2003-06-24 05:13:04 UTC
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Post by Robert Hancock
To get the radio out, you need to remove whatever dash trim covers the
outside edge of the radio. There will be some screws on the left and right
to hold it into the dash.
I managed to get the dash trim off. It turns out there were five torx
screws holding it on, which I had overlooked before. I found the four
screws on the front of the stereo. But there seems to be a strap or
something on the inside holding it in, and I have no idea how to access
that. Maybe if I could get the ashtray out...But from feeling around
under the dash, it feels liek the thing is in a plastic sleeve, so I don't
think that will help. I hate working under the dash. Arghh.
Post by Robert Hancock
As far as unlocking it by nuking the memory chip, I would be surprised if
the chip were not soldered to the circuit board, and most likely erasing it
would just make the radio completely inoperative..
Desoldering the chip is no problem. Especially on something from 1992.
I would first copy the contents and then nuke the chip. If that is
catastrophic, I can then reprogram the chip with the original contents.
Having one's own chip programmer is expensive but very convenient.
Post by Robert Hancock
It's rather bizarre that the radio would have Theftlock on it but that it
wouldn't be mentioned in the manual. Are you sure it's the original radio?
Somebody would have to have programmed in a code to activate the Theftlock,
too..
Well, I think it is bizarre too. Yes, it's the original radio. My
parent's are the original owners. I don't think they've ever bought an
after-market radio in their entire lives.

A nice service rep at a local dealership told me that the code is
typically included on a little card with the car, but my parents were
never given that card. They have all the paperwork for every car they've
bought back to 1975. So the manual says nothing about theftlock and they
were never given the code (presumably factory programmed) and GM still
expects us to pay to get it unlocked. It's amazing so many folks
continue to buy GM...

The one mysterious bit is that somebody would have to have programmed in a
code to activate it. My parents never did as they had no idea the
feature existed. The service guy said they sometimes came with a code
programmed at the factory, so that would solve that mystery. However, my
father says he's replaced the battery himself a number of times and never
had this problem. So unless there's some capacitance in the thing and he
replaced the battery pretty quick, it sounds like the theftlock somehow
got activated on its own or the AC guys fiddled wtih it just wrong?
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Robert Hancock
2003-06-24 05:53:50 UTC
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It's also possible the radio is somehow confused - it could be that some
models of the radio had the Theftlock on them and some didn't, just that the
option was turned off on some of them, and somehow this radio has decided
that it has Theftlock on it..

I've never heard of a radio having pre-programmed Theftlock on it - it
always comes disabled from the factory, and you have to enter in a code to
enable it.

Does it have the blinking Theftlock LED on the front of the radio?

As far as taking it out, it's likely that some of the cables on the back are
hung up and preventing it from coming out, you might have to reach in behind
to unplug them.
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Post by Jeff Walther
Post by Robert Hancock
To get the radio out, you need to remove whatever dash trim covers the
outside edge of the radio. There will be some screws on the left and right
to hold it into the dash.
I managed to get the dash trim off. It turns out there were five torx
screws holding it on, which I had overlooked before. I found the four
screws on the front of the stereo. But there seems to be a strap or
something on the inside holding it in, and I have no idea how to access
that. Maybe if I could get the ashtray out...But from feeling around
under the dash, it feels liek the thing is in a plastic sleeve, so I don't
think that will help. I hate working under the dash. Arghh.
Post by Robert Hancock
As far as unlocking it by nuking the memory chip, I would be surprised if
the chip were not soldered to the circuit board, and most likely erasing it
would just make the radio completely inoperative..
Desoldering the chip is no problem. Especially on something from 1992.
I would first copy the contents and then nuke the chip. If that is
catastrophic, I can then reprogram the chip with the original contents.
Having one's own chip programmer is expensive but very convenient.
Post by Robert Hancock
It's rather bizarre that the radio would have Theftlock on it but that it
wouldn't be mentioned in the manual. Are you sure it's the original radio?
Somebody would have to have programmed in a code to activate the Theftlock,
too..
Well, I think it is bizarre too. Yes, it's the original radio. My
parent's are the original owners. I don't think they've ever bought an
after-market radio in their entire lives.
A nice service rep at a local dealership told me that the code is
typically included on a little card with the car, but my parents were
never given that card. They have all the paperwork for every car they've
bought back to 1975. So the manual says nothing about theftlock and they
were never given the code (presumably factory programmed) and GM still
expects us to pay to get it unlocked. It's amazing so many folks
continue to buy GM...
The one mysterious bit is that somebody would have to have programmed in a
code to activate it. My parents never did as they had no idea the
feature existed. The service guy said they sometimes came with a code
programmed at the factory, so that would solve that mystery. However, my
father says he's replaced the battery himself a number of times and never
had this problem. So unless there's some capacitance in the thing and he
replaced the battery pretty quick, it sounds like the theftlock somehow
got activated on its own or the AC guys fiddled wtih it just wrong?
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David
2003-07-06 16:58:54 UTC
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Working in the electronics engineering and service field for many years, I
can tell you first hand digital electronics designs get confused often. It
is a VERY common repair problem for many electronics manufactures.

Things like a glitch of noise on the power, bad ground connection, nearby
EMP (like that generated by an MRI machine), nearby static discharge at just
the wrong time, and many more can all cause electronics to be confused.
Actually it is a changed code in memory or the firmware that really fouls
things up.

David
On the other hand, electronics don't really get confused. They're fairly
deterministic things...mostly. I half-way suspect that someone at the AC
place installed a theft code on it while it was there, but why would they
bother? That doesn't make much sense either.
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crodriguez
2003-06-24 12:44:36 UTC
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Here is a very good point.........


You have invested WAY MORE time and effort
then the 40 bucks the dealer wanted.

It's amazing reading you posts, talking about
desoldering the chip, fighting the dash board, calling
GM, writing posts, all over the course of two days.
And your still no where near finishing. You have
no idea if the chip nuking will work!!

Are you that cheap that $40 is worth this much effort?
You could have had this "problem" solved last week.
Richard Yates
2003-06-24 14:18:32 UTC
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I can understand where this guy is coming from. I do not think that it is so
much as the $40 but the principle of the whole situation. My keyless entry
remote to my car had been lost and I needed to replace it. The dealer wanted
$75 for the remote and $50 to program it. I turned to the Newsgroup for
suggestions. The final results were, I got the remotes on E-Bay for $10 and
a user in the Newsgroup gave me programming instructions and it took all of
5 seconds and a paperclip to make it work!
Post by crodriguez
Here is a very good point.........
You have invested WAY MORE time and effort
then the 40 bucks the dealer wanted.
It's amazing reading you posts, talking about
desoldering the chip, fighting the dash board, calling
GM, writing posts, all over the course of two days.
And your still no where near finishing. You have
no idea if the chip nuking will work!!
Are you that cheap that $40 is worth this much effort?
You could have had this "problem" solved last week.
crodriguez
2003-06-24 21:58:06 UTC
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Well.....

Maybe he will let us know if a paper clip helps him............
and it took all of 5 seconds and a paperclip to make it work!
Jeff Walther
2003-06-25 02:59:16 UTC
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Post by Richard Yates
Post by crodriguez
Here is a very good point.........
You have invested WAY MORE time and effort
then the 40 bucks the dealer wanted.
It's amazing reading you posts, talking about
desoldering the chip, fighting the dash board, calling
GM, writing posts, all over the course of two days.
And your still no where near finishing. You have
no idea if the chip nuking will work!!
Are you that cheap that $40 is worth this much effort?
You could have had this "problem" solved last week.
I can understand where this guy is coming from. I do not think that it is so
much as the $40 but the principle of the whole situation. My keyless entry
remote to my car had been lost and I needed to replace it. The dealer wanted
$75 for the remote and $50 to program it. I turned to the Newsgroup for
suggestions. The final results were, I got the remotes on E-Bay for $10 and
a user in the Newsgroup gave me programming instructions and it took all of
5 seconds and a paperclip to make it work!
Exactly. Thank you for your understanding. I will not pay GM for this.
They never informed us that there was such a hazard built into the stereo
that we paid for, nor did they provide the theft code. Yet, they will
neither provide the info needed to undo this, nor provide the service to
undo it without a ridiculous charge. No way am I ever giving GM any
money. Of course, my parents will continue to buy GM cars as they always
have, but that's their decision.

Additionally, despite having an EE degree, 1.5 years of experience
designing semiconductors, great references and a 3.6 GPA coming out of
school three years ago, I've been looking for work for the last eighteen
months, unsuccessfully. So my time isn't worth a whole lot right now
anyway, and a little project like this to take my mind off the depressing
reality of the current job market is just fine. Of course, I don't count
in the "unemployment" statistics, because like so many others, my
unemployment benefits ran out a long time ago and you aren't counted as
unemployed after that, despite the continuing lack of a job...but I
digress.

I like soldering. I like desoldering. I like programming chips. The
mechanical aspects of removing the stereo from the car are frustrating,
but once I get to the electronic technician stuff, that will be fun.

Finally, I will buy a new stereo and install it, before I will consider
giving GM any money. So, figuring out how to uninstall the stereo is a
necessary step, whether I manage to hack the current stereo back into
operation, or junk it and replace it with something else.
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Richard Yates
2003-06-25 03:42:34 UTC
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You make a very good point! Maybe I am a little unclear about this whole
thing.... Is it possible that all you need to do is enter a code to unlock
it? Seems to me they would provide that as a Customer Service after you
proved ownership. Furthermore, what does LOC stand for? Could it be an
Acronym for Launch Operations Center? One suggestion is find the model and
contact the manufacturer and ask them for advice. Keep posting in here and
other Newsgroups.... Don't give up!

BTW I used to own a '92 Delta 88 and never had that problem.... Worse thing
that ever happened to me was that I got that "Clean Key" Message and you
would have to wait 3 minutes or so before the car would start. I now own a
'91 Regency 98 but would be more than happy to to some research on this for
you!
Post by Jeff Walther
Finally, I will buy a new stereo and install it, before I will consider
giving GM any money. So, figuring out how to uninstall the stereo is a
necessary step, whether I manage to hack the current stereo back into
operation, or junk it and replace it with something else.
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Michael
2003-07-05 14:01:11 UTC
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Post by Jeff Walther
Additionally, despite having an EE degree, 1.5 years of experience
designing semiconductors, great references and a 3.6 GPA coming out of
school three years ago, I've been looking for work for the last eighteen
months, unsuccessfully.
You brought back the 1970's for me. When the Viet Nam war and the
airospace industries declined. (For good reasons)
Post by Jeff Walther
I like soldering. I like desoldering. I like programming chips.
What do you do if they are surface mounted technology chips? Or propriety
chips with secret markings?
Post by Jeff Walther
mechanical aspects of removing the stereo from the car are frustrating,
but once I get to the electronic technician stuff, that will be fun.
And then realize that you have waisted all your time.
Post by Jeff Walther
Finally, I will buy a new stereo and install it, before I will consider
giving GM any money. So, figuring out how to uninstall the stereo is a
necessary step, whether I manage to hack the current stereo back into
operation, or junk it and replace it with something else.
Now here you have solved your problem already. Life is full of learning
experiences. Whether it be auto repair, or unemployment. You will learn
from it all.

MIKE........

PS: I read in the NY Times last month that BMW is employing technicians at
their dealerships and paying them >$50,000 to start. And have their
own training program. Unbelievable!
David
2003-07-06 17:05:25 UTC
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Simple, the electronics in the unit were 'confused' due to some glitch.
Anyone with some real experience at the service end of consumer electronics
can attest to how common this type of failure really is and that a full
reboot/reset many times clears the problem.

Obviously your EE degree training did not give you any real world practical
knowledge from the repair standpoint.
When I worked at a consumer electronics repair shop, around 25% of the
failures we would see were due to random electronics confusion problems.
Usually some bit would get corrupted in the eeprom, sometimes the
micro/system control would get confused due to some bad data getting to it,
almost all problems were related to quick brown out conditions at just the
wrong time.

David
Try just disconnecting the battery for a bit?
That worked. I figured, what the heck, it's easy and cheap. When I put
the ground connector back on the battery, the Stereo came up displaying
1:00 and now it works fine.
I am at a loss to explain it. Loc should not be enabled. It's never
caused a problem before. They (the selling dealership) didn't tell us
there was any such feature nor provide any documentation.
It appeared out of the blue. It shouldn't go away when one disconnects
and reconnects the battery, but it did.
I thought about trying this earlier but didn't see how it could solve a
problem with an "anti-theft" program. I should have tried it right
away. It woudl have saved me a bunch of effort.
Oh, and for anyone who needs the info, I figured out how to remove the
stereo. After you remove the four screws in the front at the four
corners of the stereo, look near the middle of hte front plate of the
stereo. Let your eyes drift down to the bottom edge of the stereo and
right there you'll see a plastic well. About 3" into that well, there's
a fifth screw (torx of the same size as the others) which holds a little
bracket near the bottom of the stereo. You've got to remove that fifth
screw and then the stereo comes out easily.
Thank you to all who stopped by and offered advice.
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Leslie Wow
2003-07-22 00:09:16 UTC
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Hi Jeff,
Same thing happened to me. Never locked it, had it off battery for long
periods of time - but one time it locked on me. I just assumed my kids did
it.
Here is what happened though, I had my old cassette player still so I
put it back in, threw the locked one in the trunk - figured I would get it
unlocked from the dealer one day or buy another factory cd.
Well, several months later (and still broke enough to get it fixed)
winter ended, since I work on Computers, I know that most bios (don't ask if
you don't know) memory can be reset just by unplugging the battery - or if
you are a video gameplayer, ask yourself, what happens to your saved games
if you leave an old video game cartridge with built in ram laying around for
awhile?
You already know that answer.....
Bingo! I put it in and the "loc" was gone!

Dennis
Post by Jeff Walther
I recently had the A/C fixed on my car and when I got it back the stereo
displayed LOC and will not work. My parents are the original owners and
know nothing about any anti-theft system. So I read the Owner's Manual
and there is no mention of this LOC "feature" anywhere in the manual.
I've done a bit of searching on the web and found a method that involves
holding down either the 2 & 3 keys or the Set key, but neither of these
methods appear to work on this model. I suspect those methods only work
on newer models.
Anyone know a way of unlocking this that will save me from paying the
dealership $40? I wouldn't mind paying if it was my oversight, but the
fact that there's no mention of any such system in the Owner's Manual just
steams me to no end. I called the GM "Customer Service" line but they
just referred me to paying bucks at the dealership. I explained to them
that this was hardly fair given that there was no mention of this system
in the documentation, and they blew me off.
Alternatively, if there's not a simple known method of unlocking the
thing, how do I remove it from the dash? I don't see any obvious joints
or screws. I bet the code is either maintained by NVRAM running off a
small internal battery or on an EEPROM or FLASH which I can erase with my
handy dandy EEPROM programmer.
Thank you for any helpful or humorous comments.
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Muffet
2017-07-18 03:18:04 UTC
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replying to Leslie Wow, Muffet wrote:
Well my stero just went to loc and no change of battery or nothing "different"
than everyday travels and listening to radio....now i dont have one i
guess😔 Tried the 2. 3. Buttons no luck...this just sucks.

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